Cinescussion - Episode 16 - The Yellow Light Trilogy

Sometimes Reddit REALLY comes through, especially in this case. The Yellow Light trilogy was nicknamed, we think, by a couple of people on reddit years ago. It consists of three movies that aren't actually a trilogy, but feel like they could be, and they feature crime neo noir plots with Los Angeles lights painting the background every step of the way. These lights help inform the cinematography, hence The Yellow Light Trilogy (Drive, Nightcrawler, and Collateral). Join us as we delve into these three wonderful films and boil down which one of them is our favorite.

Films Discussed: Collateral, Drive, Nightcrawler, and Guillermo Del Toro's Nightmare Alley

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Hey everyone, this is Dylan.

And this is fortune, also known as a restless mind on YouTube.

And welcome to episode 16 of discussion. I'm awesome and hoppin

makes me feel so old episode 16 Season Two. Wow,

I know what's happening to our years. And finally,

oh there go. They're going away.

They're going slowly but surely. Definitely time. Pause for a second. Yeah, so it's been a busy couple weeks for us. But we were able to catch the new Guillermo del Toro movie nightmare alley in theaters as well as do a little bit of research on unofficial trilogies and watch a trilogy of movies called the yellow light trilogy, which we'll get into a little bit if you haven't heard of it.

Which was like when we say, I'm happy you did this one. It was fun. I like all of them. So it was fun revisiting them.

Yeah, fun thing was unofficial. trilogies is these are not unintentional. trilogy movies. These are three movies that share a lot of the same themes, not only from a story standpoint, but also stylistically, that just kind of feel like a trilogy of movies. Not necessarily, yeah, continuous storyline, but more so of themes, dynamic character, all that fun stuff.

Yeah, it's basically people noticed that aesthetically, you could box them as a trilogy and sell it, and it would be great. And people would probably really appreciate it. It's basically where it comes from. It's like, these really complements each other. And you know, even if they have different vibes, there's just something about them that just feels like they'd be a great trilogy.

So yeah, and they are, but first off, yeah. You and I are pretty big Guillermo del Toro fans, and oh, yeah, we we were pretty excited to see nightmare alley. We were busy during his kind of main theatrical run, but then we had a chance like right before it's leaving theaters or so we thought to get like an afternoon kind of matinee. And we, we show up and we're buying our tickets one for nightmare alley, please. Thank you. And we're told that it's actually a rerelease of black, black and white and re release, which, once that was told to me, I was like, damn it, you know? Yeah. Once it started, it was working. Yeah.

Yeah, I have nothing against black and white films. It's just I love good color grades. And Guillermo del Toro has a very unique color grade that he does, and a lot of his films. And I was really looking forward to see that because I saw the trailer in the regular color grid. But the black and white did end up being quite fun. In terms of visually, there were some really cool shots actually, that were in black and white. It was really, really, really cool. So but I would say the film is is interesting. I'll open it up to you. And then we can go cuz I feel like you're really good at setting things up.

Thank you, sir. You're really good. Now,

I know, sadly.

That guy I didn't know about this going in. But this is a 1947 remake of a classic film war based off novel. I found all this out after I saw it because I was like, this is a very unusual movie to come out in 22. And then once I discovered it was a remake that was loved by Guillermo del Toro, everything started to make sense. Yeah. Let me tell you what this movie wasn't. And I think it kind of affected my experience. I think I expected something a little more supernatural, and a little more mind bending than it actually was. And just kind of a spoiler alert. I didn't. I didn't love it. Unfortunately, the words that come to mind was, I feel like when we say slow burn, we're kind of being we're being generous. But I just don't think the characters of the story really grabbed my attention, fortunately. And it was a really long runtime. It was I think, somewhere between two to two and a half hours. And I think towards the third act, it tended to overstay its welcome. I wasn't super happy with the payoffs that were set up in the beginning of the film. Yeah, we're on the same, exactly the same place for that. Yeah. All of kind of my feelings towards it actually fell upon the story. didn't follow it. The the performances were great, actually, you know, usually if I'm bored by a movie, I don't think about it for the next few days, but I've actually thought about this movie a few times. I was thinking about William Defoes performance. Tony class performance even Ron Perlman, I thought was fantastic. And Bradley Cooper leaving it was was excellent. So what was funny was I liked I liked the characters, but it didn't do anything. Yeah. Unfortunate. That's, to me.

That's how I felt like it's basically like, I liked a lot of the elements of the film, but the The film as a whole, incredibly uninteresting, like I would say, the first half of the movie, there are some interesting characters, there's an interesting setting. And it's kind of slow, but it is still somewhat interesting. And I'm interested to see where it's going to go. And then the second half of the movie where it ends up going, ends up being kind of just completely and interesting in general, like, what I was hoping for it to lead into, or, you know, I and and the interesting thing is, I've sent interesting about seven times in the last 30 seconds, by the way, so I need to use another word, the source, please. But I didn't know anything about the film either. I did find out afterward that it was essentially a remake as well. But I actually didn't have any expectations. Even from the trailer. I didn't have any supernatural expectations, anything. So for me, I just ended up finding it very predictable and a lot of ways like, it's predictable. Like once you meet, essentially the only people that can make it interesting, if that makes sense. Like I would just say that Cate Blanchett character shows up and Cate Blanchett, another one who's wonderful in the movie, but essentially, based on meeting this person, nothing happens that you don't really expect, like once you've met them, and it's okay, for the expected to happen. But again, it has to be captivating. The story's sort of interesting. But it's not really like like, like you said, the payoff, it just doesn't really do anything for you. And that's kind of how I felt like it essentially was overly long, what ended up happening was really obvious. And then even that twist wasn't that fascinating. And then by the end of the film, you were actually right about something foreshadowing wise, which makes sense, but it still didn't do anything, there was no emotional impact for it, there was you know, so I ultimately, I felt like it's beautifully directed in terms of the shot list and the lighting. And you know, the framing and the blocking, and some of the scenes is fantastic. Like it's incredibly well made. But it almost feels like it's something that's incredibly well made. But the story itself, isn't that captivating to me. I haven't seen the original, so I don't know what to compare it to. But this one kind of left me just feeling a little like, man, it's a movie. Like I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it either. And you had mentioned the term slow burn earlier. And I almost feel like slow burn is the term we use when something is a bit slow and boring, but it makes up for it later, and we forgive it. This one I don't think became a slow burger. I think it kind of just stayed boring to me. Like, and I don't really like to say that because I love Guillermo del Toro I really do but I also just feel like I need to be honest. So yeah, didn't love night rally, I wouldn't probably wouldn't really watch it again. Visually, there's beautiful frames. And like, if you're into cinematography, and just camera work and lighting and stuff, it's it's worth the watch in that regard. It's just story wise. There's nothing there. That's really that captivating to me. So

for for me, you know what I found in shooting that as I thought about it afterward. And actually, when we were what was cool about this is we were the only people in the theater and I haven't had a word for that's happened in years. I know, right? I know. You and I were able to just kind of like talk about our feelings about the movie. And what stuck with me is after I saw it beginning to end, I was like, Okay, this story works. The beginning the middle of Yeah, and all makes sense. There's a really like, compelling character journey in there. But the biggest issue for me was not necessarily its length. But just like we talked about when we were watching it. There was no, it's a thriller that seems afraid of tension, like anytime 100 from thing it could drink could could. Sorry, anytime the main characters put in any sort of danger. It's sort of alleviated in the next 10 minutes. And you're kind of just watching, yeah, finesse through upper society kind of doing his best to con these people. But anytime that there could be consequences outside of where it goes in the third act. That by the way, it's not even there's no twist in the movie. In fact, everything is blatantly told to you. It's not one of those things, we surely have to pay attention. But it's one of those things where the movie tells you what's going to happen and it doesn't deviate from it. So when it does happen, you're sitting there like, Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what would happen. You know what I mean? And never Yeah, it never felt like it was preparing me for anything that could really surprise me or scare me or make me uncomfortable for what could happen to these characters. Anytime it kind of flirted with that idea where there might be danger. It was like, I just get a move on. You know what I mean? Yeah, I really

like the therapy scene. The therapy scene was a better scene, but it was a scene where I thought it was going to get really interesting. And it started to go there. And then again, it just that was it was just over and you're like, huh, and then there's another scene that's essentially kind of an interrogation. With with a lie detector that I think both of us were like, here we go. But then get out of jail free card. Like, it's like, well, what's the point of any of this? Like? It's like, like, like as an audience member, what am I supposed to be invested in? Like, that's basically where I am. Because I'm like, so you're not trying to build tension. You're not trying to really pull in the end. It's just like, it's almost like just watching this very, very simple but beautiful storybook. You know, like, it just opens and it turns to the pages and then there's the end and you're like, Okay, you know? Yep. Cool. Like, I That's it, I guess. But for him, for me, it's just not enough. It's just kind of like, you know, like I said, it wasn't bad at all. It's just, it wasn't that interesting. So I don't know what else to say. Like, you know, like, it's not, I wouldn't say it's a bad movie at all. I personally just didn't really feel like it did anything for me, I guess is the best way to put it.

So yeah, it didn't do much for me either. And unfortunately, I've been kinda, I love Guillermo del Toro. I. Anytime he's releasing a movie. I'm gonna I'm gonna see it in theaters given the chance. Samer, I love listening to him speak about how he directs films. I love his funny. He is really Yeah, he's funny. He's, he has such a unique vision for all of his movies, I tend. The only thing that I'm kind of bummed about is what I kind of said early where I feel like every film since Pan's Labyrinth, it seems like he his technical skill grows. And he gets even better performances out of his actors. And he gets the opportunity to create these really unique films that are given fantastic budgets. And by the way, a nightmare. Ellie is a rated R drama thriller with a huge star studded cast and insane set designs that must have cost a lot of money. And that's not something you get these days. You don't want me to believe in Him to bring these visions to life as they should, because he is that talented. But since Pan's Labyrinth, I feel like his movies have progressively gotten less interesting. I just don't think he I like the shape the writer scripts,

I like the shape of water. And I thought the Hellboy movies were fun. But the Hellboy movies were more like what they're supposed to be, they're still a graphic novel, right? But I did like the shape of water a lot. I didn't. I don't know if I thought it deserved movie of the year like Oscar, but I did like it a lot. I thought it was a great movie. But I do have to say I don't necessarily disagree. Like, to me nightmare alley kind of runs similarly to Crimson Peak, except Crimson Peak actually does build tension pretty well. In some scenes. It just, I just felt like the delivery is kind of lacking in that one. But this movie just doesn't even feel like it builds tension in the scenes that it seems like it's trying to and then doesn't. So I think that's another reason for that, that it's an odd feeling with this film, because you brought up the fact of, of how tension is kind of, you know, crushed a lot. And it's true. And I feel like, that's What's odd about this film, because Gilma was kind of a master of stuff. So it's actually surprising that that happens. So it almost makes me think maybe that wasn't the point. But then my brain goes, but then what is the point like? Or is this maybe just a really old story that back in the day would have been great, but isn't as interesting now? Or is it? You know, I don't know, I have no idea like so. Yeah, it's kind of left, you know, feeling like I'm at an impasse, I guess like, like, you know, it was okay. What I'd say but, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

Well, so I, you know, I recommend a nightmare alley for Guillermo del Toro fans, but I wouldn't get your hopes up too much. I will say as far as positives go, I actually really, really loved the first, I guess you would call it half of the movie. There's a there's a time jump in the middle and a setting that this is a story that expands a very long time. And the first half to grace in one setting, the second half takes place in another setting. And I actually loved all the build up of the first half. I was I did too. It's once it hits the second half. And almost immediately once that setting changes where I've started to lose me.

Yeah, I agree with you. Like the first half, I was like, this is pretty good. And for the most part, I was joining it and I was in I was in you know, and the second half agreed. It's when it's hard to lose me like, so where are we going with this? And then I feel like for a while you're going where are we going with this? And then you're just like you're meeting characters like, so it doesn't seem like anything specific is happening is someone's making bad decisions. So, okay, so I got it. So this is what's going to happen and it does, you know, and you're just like okay, but where's the rub, you know, like evil sauce. Exactly. It's almost like it's almost like we knew it like like, you know what it reminds me of the opposite of parasite where we both know that Director We both knows, like, we know this director so well. I didn't even see a trailer for this movie. So when we're watching that, like, we get to the point where we're almost like 30 minutes into the movie 35 And it's not the movie I was expecting, but it's great. But I literally I know, we're sitting next to each other and we're just like, you know, where's the other shoe gonna drop? Cuz because we know this director, something's gonna happen. And then what happens? You're like, oh, here we go. And it's almost like in this movie. I think I was almost expecting that because it was so you know, just, you know, it was what it was. And then the other shoot just never dropped.

So, Nightmare alley, you know? Yeah, I think that's all I have to say about that. I am excited to talk about our other three movies. That was you know, funny story about the the yellow light trilogy and the three movies that we're going to talk about. I remember seeing all of these movies in theaters, and I remember loving every single one theaters.

That's interesting. That's yeah, yeah. So I'm jealous of you.

I'm excited about that. But I rewatching them again. Surprisingly, I'm excited to talk about my feelings haven't changed on any of them. And they bought it down for a little bit of time. Do you want to tell? Tell everybody, what kind of with the yellow light trilogy is what movies make it up and why they're kind of considered a trilogy?

Yeah, so the yellow light trilogy, their films that came out at different times. So the first one is, I believe, it's Michael Mann's collateral, which many of you have probably seen with Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx. The second that was in 2004. The second one comes out in 2011. That is a drive by Nicolas Winding Refn, which I think is his best movie, and I'm kind of wondering if he's a one hit wonder, but I don't know. Like, like drive was with Ryan Gosling. It was at the beginning of the 80s synth wave kind of phase as well. Just beautiful indie film with some great performances from Ryan Gosling, Bryan Cranston. I mean, even Oscar Isaac is in it. Like I think Christina Hendricks, isn't it Carey Mulligan? There's actually so many actors in this movie. For this small film. I think it had like a $10 million budget or something. I could be wrong. But I remember the budget wasn't like huge, remember, right. And then the third film is 2014 Nightcrawler. Has a lot of people in it. Jake Gyllenhaal, Bill Paxton, Rene Russo. It has Riz Ahmed before he was really big, actually. And it was it was written and directed by Dan Gilroy, who I believe had done quite a few successful screenplays. But this was his first time directing. And the film is actually a gorgeously shot film. And I remember being so shocked that it was that beautiful with the first time director, and then I looked up who the cinematographer was and it's Robert Elswit, who's a legend in his own right like he directed there. He was the sort of talk from there would be blood. I think back in the day, he also did like American Beauty and some other films. So like he's Yeah, Syriana. Like he's done just magnificent. He's He's a beautiful magnolia. He's worked with Paul Thomas Anderson quite a bit actually. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So And essentially, the yellow light trilogy, Dylan had brought it up. And the weird thing is, when he brought it up, I was like, I swear, I've heard that somewhere before, but I have no idea. So I did some research. So I don't know if this is the earliest but the earliest instance in history where I can find someone calling it the evil light trilogy, was seven years ago on Reddit forgive the language, but it's by a redditor named squid fucker. And thank you good fucker. We appreciate you so much. But uh, he said collateral or she collateral drive and Nightcrawler make an excellent modern de la Neo noir trilogy. And the very first comment is by a person named bipolar bears roar. So thank you to both of you. The first comment says call it the yellow light trilogy, and it has a bunch of upvotes. So that is the earliest instance I can find if it being called this. I don't know if that's beginning, but I believe it is. And if that is the case, then it came from Reddit. But they are absolutely right, because all of these films were shot, I believe, like with La backdrops that that style lighting, you know, like that yellow light, but then some of them added like neon lights and stuff like that. But it's like that lighting of La that's used as like this natural back backdrop. And it creates this really unique visual and so even though each of these films have three different directors with three different styles, and they do feel like different movies, they also feel easily like they could be connected because of that setting and some of the stuff it's actually really interesting, because I I never would have thought to watch them like back to back. And when I do I'm like it's so funny how it's so funny how this really does work like it really does. And I never got to see collateral in theaters when I was younger. I remember collateral came out and I think I rented it from Hulu video or something back in the day I worked at Hulu video, a blockbuster was across the street. So I had an account at both, obviously but I think I got it But I think I saw I think I saw on DVD because I wasn't able to catch it in theaters. But the other two I did see in theaters and I remember the year drive was one of my favorite movies that year. I think both of us wanted it to win. And then I think that was there, the artists one I could be wrong, like. And then night Nightcrawler was one of my favorite movies that year, but that also came out in the year have some 2014. Like I looked into 2014 was a phenomenal year for like, like studio movies. Like they had some, I think, like, like, yeah, it was like the same year for like x Mokena. And, like, there were like, so many good movies like, and I remember that was that was one of my favorite movies of that year. But yeah, like so yeah, I'm happy to get into this with you, honestly, because Nightcrawler is big for me. Because it did something specifically for me. That was interesting. Like, I would say that movie was my as a filmmaker and just loved her from falling in love with Jake Gyllenhaal because a lot of people really liked him. And I liked him. But I had never been like blown away or anything. But I admit I hadn't seen a ton of his movies. I'd seen a few and I was like he's good. You know, that movie. I was like, no, he's

he's, he's phenomenal. I like like, you can't look away from the film. Why? Like, he's so good. Like, that whole movie. I've I've rarely been drawn into a film and feel like I was wound that tight. Oh, speaking of what's another one of the great movies that came out that year, I believe was whiplash. And, and I remember like, Nightcrawler Yeah, I think so. And I remember like, Nightcrawler was like my favorite movie, and then I saw whiplash. I was like, This is impossible. Well, we, oh, tight. Like,

yeah, there is another unofficial trilogy of movies. I don't know what this one's called. But the three movies put together are black swan whiplash, and Ahmed Das. And it completely works as kind of a pressure to perform trilogy

that and that's interesting, because you and I have talked and I think we had said we could even do an episode on how we both thought that whiplash and Black Swan won't be two sides of the same coin. Like I think we had talked about that. It's almost like, like I could totally, I never heard of that with Amadeus. But I do have to admit, Amadeus is one of those amazing movies that on my list I still haven't seen

three hour period piece drama

probably well typically. Typically with typically with me period piece dramas and war movies are the ones I'm not I've never as keen on like I'll still say like, oh was amazing, but you have to like kind of pull me to it like war movies. They're not like my first I got to see this, you know, so I can't help it. So yeah, I will watch it. No, I want to

my big ones. They have to pull me to our terminal. Terminal illness romances.

A walk to a walk to watch America. I have cancer love me before I die. Exactly. All right. I'll learn to not be a dick and love you and I'll you'll leave and then I'll treat people better because I was an asshole before like yes, the way it is the way

how about we take these in order? Let's start with collateral. And then we'll go Nightcrawler. So Michael Mann. You know, I'm funny thing about Michael Mann. He is movies of all time. I want to start by saying that like bar none. I

keep key. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is phenomenal.

One of the greatest movies of all time. And it has also made other great movies. Thief is one of them. Collateral is one of them. Collateral is a great movie. I hadn't seen flat URL in years. And I actually watched it today. And the thing about it, and I don't know why this is and I don't think he deserves it, but I'm just going to tell you how I feel. Every time I sit down to watch Michael Mann movie. I feel like I'm not gonna like his directing style. Oh my God. You're saying to enjoy it, but I just go and

I'm so happy you're saying this because I totally thought I was gonna say something slightly similar, but and you were gonna totally judge me and I was gonna be like, I know. I know. Okay, that is so awesome. That's like a load off for me. Because I wasn't gonna say necessarily his directing style. But for me, Michael Mann is very hit and miss for my tastes like, if I like a movie he does. I tend to really like it. Yes, but then there are movies. If I don't like it. It's usually the exact opposite. I really hate it. Like, like I hated Blackhat. I hated my I grew i It's one of the I got a half hour and I actually turned it off. And I was like, I'll watch it later. I never did. I hated Miami Vice. I hated his my advice. I just I did. And then I remember I haven't seen all the I haven't. I think the only is the insider was good. It was. It was pretty good.

You see public enemies.

That is the only film he's ever done. Where I'm like, I don't I'm in the middle. Like there are things that are interesting about it. And there are things I absolutely hate about about it. And so I remember leaving going Ah, I don't know it's a movie. Like, I was like Do you hate it? No. Do you like it? Hell no, but I don't know. Like there's some really great scenes and stuff. It's his style is so weird because I feel like it'll cut between being like this thriller film. But then there are shots that are like documentary esque. And then there are other shots that almost look like they're behind the scenes fucking footage, which makes no sense but some movies it works well with with like, I think in heat it works well because it almost makes the heist scenes feel almost like you're you're you're there filming it sometimes like sometimes it feels like a movie. But then the other time you feel like you're this camera man that stuck in the middle. So it's really interesting and I feel like when it works it's fantastic. But then there's other times it just does not work yeah when it doesn't it's like a disaster like I don't know.

I mean this because I here's the thing, I always like to I like to lean towards creators and Michael Mann clearly you create a vision and he has signatures that when you go in so I mean this with all due respect that he his film grain, the director, everything. Do you know what? No, no, no, no. Yes, yes. Movies are grainy, but his movie feel like they come from an era where everything was really the cut to a weird shaky, almost documentary like footage. And I feel like there'll be other for grounded but yeah, it needs to be grounded story with grounded characters to make it work. And sometimes it gets so out there. We were like what is going on?

But then there are other shots like there was just one in collateral where there's so much mercial motion blur on the movement, it feels like a behind the scenes shot and I get those sometimes do and they're clearly deliberate, because I see them in every movie, like, like, there are shots of that and public enemy that I hated because they almost feel like you filmed a shot and you forgot to film it in a high fps, but you're gonna go slow mo, but it's not he clearly did it on purpose, but I hate it like I absolutely hate it. And it doesn't put me in the movie. It actually takes me out of it. But I also agree with you. And that was something I was realizing yesterday. I was like, even though I hate some of his movies, and I love some of that movie, I appreciate that. He is Michael Mann, like, I feel like within a half hour of a movie, I would start going this almost seems like a Michael Mann movie. Like I do, like I would you know, for better or worse, I do feel like he has his brand. He has his style. And I'm okay with not liking everything someone does. Because when it works, it works well. And it's and it's gonna be a unique, good movie. You know, it's gonna be something only that person can make, you know, so I'm, yeah, I don't I don't I don't hate him as a director. I actually actually like him. Because like I said, the films that I do, like, I love them. Like I really do, like I really do. Yeah,

well, what are your thoughts on collateral? Uh,

I thought it was pretty great. I'd give it like a B plus really strong. I actually thought that both. I think that of course. Tom Cruise gets to just eat up every moment on the screen like, because I think this is one of the earlier movies where you got to be a bad guy, right? Because he's typically always a good guy. I can't think of another Tom Cruise villain movie. Yeah, like, I don't know if he isn't other ones. But I think at this point, if there isn't them, I think at this point, this was like the first time he was I think, so I imagine that was a huge deal to audiences. Wow. Like, he's kind of the oh, he's, this is interesting. And then Jamie Foxx was really great. Actually, I especially love the scene where he has to go into the club like that. Because there's so much tension and it's like, bro, bro, it doesn't matter if you have anxiety or your heart explodes. You better sell this shit like

worries. I didn't even remember he was in this movie. It shows you how long it's been since the movie ended because I actually realized after he flips the car, he grows. He grows some nerves and flips the car. And Tom Cruise runs off. I didn't remember anything that happened at the end of movie. So I don't remember the ending. I actually forgot Jada Pinkett was in the movie. Like I saw her at the beginning. And I was like, oh, cool cameo. And then at the end, when he goes running, I'm like, Oh, she's actually in the whole end to like, I was like, I forgot. I literally forgot the whole ending. And, and I think the only thing I remember was the train scene at the end. That was the only thing I remember. But I didn't remember like from the car flip to that point. I didn't remember like any of that. So it was really refreshing seeing it all again. Yeah, yeah. And the tension. It's great. It's another one of those movies that seemingly aside from the actors, probably not that expensive, right? Like it's it's almost like phone booths, except it's these two actors in small locations. I mean, ends up having big moments, right? But those are moments that it seems like those should be pretty easy to set up if you have even just like a somewhat of a budget but but the majority of all the good stuff is how And the taxi cab? Yes, I would I don't think it's easy to do. I don't think it's easy to build tension, just with a scene like that you need two actors that are fantastic. And you need a great script, you know, and you need good directors and editors and all that stuff to pull it all together. So I think he did a really good job because it's actually longer than I remember it being two isn't like two and a half hours or something if I remember right, like not two, it's about two. Is it two okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cuz like I would expect a movie like that. Like even phone booth was pretty great. But it's like, it's like 70 minute, five minutes or 80 minutes or something. You know, it's like

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